Help for Loving Relationships
Help for Loving Relationships
Reframing Self-Sabotaging Perceptions
Lori Beard focuses on 7 steps of personal development. Today we dive deeper into negative perceptions and how to reframe these so they do not sabotage your life:
- Lori shares how her perception of not feeling good enough as a child to keep her parents together in marriage impacted her self-esteem and views on love.
- She explores how she experienced difficulties in forming and maintaining romantic relationships due to these early childhood experiences.
- Her beliefs about marriage and long-term relationships matured through life experiences.
- She shares significant breakthroughs of healing and growth towards a more mature outlook on love and relationship that resulted in her writing & coaching.
- She expresses gratitude that all these experiences increased her compassion for others and prepared her to be a guide for others through coaching.
More about Lori at www.steadfast-forward.com and unlockingfreedominnature.com. Her book, Freedom from Self-Slavery: A Guide for Self-Mastery and Empowerment is available in the Kindle Store as an eBook.
Her upcoming project is a parent-teen connection adventure in Puerto Rico called Unlocking Freedom in Nature and Art.
What makes life good. Science and your life experience remind you that the greatest happiness this world has to offer comes from loving relationships. Welcome to the Help for Loving Relationships podcast. Here we focus on strengthening our marriages and our families, as well as your connection to friends and community. Our host, shane Adamson, is a therapist who has had a front row seat to what builds loving relationships as well as what hurts relationships. Please welcome your host, shane Adamson.
Speaker 2:Hello everyone, welcome to the Hope for Loving Relationships show. I'm really excited to have Shirley Buck on our show today and we are going to be talking about trauma. Last month I actually went to the Green Shoe and I gave an earlier review of my Green Shoe experience earlier this month, and now we get to do a deeper dive into some models of healing. And so welcome to the show, shirley.
Speaker 3:Hi, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2:So I would feel it would be beneficial if you could just share a little bit about yourself and a little bit about what led you to take an interest in helping people through healing trauma.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. I myself had been through years of severe abuse and trauma as a child, which led me I guess I can tell you a little bit of my story. I was born to deaf parents and when you're born to deaf parents, that poses a challenge in itself because you become their voice and their ears, and I interpreted their divorce. At five years old, I had become the caregiver of my mother. I moved in with my mother, I lived with my mother after the divorce and she had become a abusive alcoholic and she took all her anger and frustration out on me and she'd be gone sometime days on end and when we would get our food stamps, she would sell them to buy alcohol and stuff.
Speaker 3:So it was a really bad cycle. She was physically abusive, she was emotionally abusive and it all stemmed from her becoming an alcoholic due to the divorce and being insecure. She grew up as a deaf child who was hidden in the bedroom when company would come over because they were embarrassed that she was deaf. So she had a lot of problems of her own to deal with and by the time I was 13, she had committed suicide and tried to take my life as well.
Speaker 2:So, um, I call those big T traumas. I had no idea you went through that much. In our planning meeting you were not sharing as much, but wow, that's pretty monumental trauma that you had to go through by the age of 13.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and I had already been through a lot with you know, a lot of trauma and abuse from several of her boyfriends. She would go out and get drunk and just all these things would happen that I would have to handle going to the hospital with her and and even an abortion clinic. I had to go with her when she had been raped and I was 12 and had to interpret this and it's the book will go further, deeper into. I wrote the book so that others can understand what I had been through and what I had overcome through mindset transformation. So anyway, it had moved on where I had moved in with my dad, but he was remarried and my stepmom didn't want me to eat there or wash my clothes there.
Speaker 3:So I got a job at 13, working for a local grocery store. At 13, working for a local grocery store, and that man molested me for two years and then I met a guy who was 25 and he was like, oh, I love you, I'm going to take care of you and all these things. And and I trusted him at 15, I thought, oh, finally, you know, someone's going to love me. And and he told me he couldn't have children or whatever. Four months months later I'm pregnant. So here I am, 15, pregnant, nowhere to go, no, you know. So I moved in with my grandmother, but it was just a cycle of abuse, trauma, neglect. I think my father wanted to be there for me, but, again, being deaf has a different dynamic as being, you know, with being a parent, and he was just trying to keep peace at home and so, anyway, like I said, I wrote the book. Sweet Freedom Whispered in my Ear, say the title one more time so our listeners can hear it.
Speaker 2:What's the title of the book?
Speaker 3:Sweet Freedom Whispered in my Ear, and my author name is SA a buck, so that book dives into the years of trauma and abuse and it also gives tips and inspiration on how to overcome it and um so I love the title.
Speaker 2:Sweet freedom whisper in your ear. I think in our planning mean you said that there was a turning point where you were able to do the deeper work. I think it was a new relationship or what happened where there was a turning point for you.
Speaker 3:When I was 23, I was engaged to my children's father and you know, we didn't, of course we didn't have kids or anything. We were just starting out our new relationship and he was this great guy I could trust and and let down my guard and you think I would be at this great happy moment in my life. But what happened is I finally felt safe and all the abuse and trauma and the emotions that come along with it rose to the surface and I had had a nervous breakdown. It was the most terrifying time of my life. You know, for years I had just been suppressing that abuse with addictions, whether it be drugs, alcohol. I had eating addictions. I was everywhere from 70 pounds to 200 pounds on the scale. I had been a mess, but I was just partying with my friends thinking, you know, just everything's fine, everything's fine, everything's fine. But then it all caught up when I finally stopped and slowed down and started to live what I thought was a normal happy life. So it was very terrifying.
Speaker 2:I thought I was going to lose my mind how long was that period from you called it your nervous breakdown, to where you felt some stability and get your feet under you? What time frame was that?
Speaker 3:That took a while because I just stopped going to work. I didn't get out of bed. My fiance at the time was really trying to work with me and he would have my best friend come over. Finally, after about two months and, like I said, I was terrified. I thought I was going to lose my mind. I thought I was going to lose my mind. I thought I was going to go crazy. I had no control over my thoughts. I was just a mess. He brought my niece and nephew over to go to a Cubs or a Sox game, a baseball game and a baseball game, and he knew that I loved my nieces and nephews so that I would push myself to get out of bed and go do something. And I did, and that was probably my first step.
Speaker 3:Everybody had started talking about you need to go to therapy, you need to go to therapy. Well, I had never been to therapy, I'd never had access to therapy Nobody. I just never did it and for me that wasn't an option. I, in my my mind, I was like I'm not going to go talk to somebody who's never been through things like this and I don't know if anybody has been through it or not, but in my mind. I was like they how are they going to possibly understand everything I've been through? And?
Speaker 3:And I didn't want to get on meds because I had just, you know, I stopped drugs and alcohol and I was like I don't want to get on meds for just to put a bandaid on what I'm feeling. I want to fix this, you know. And then I started getting my hands on every self-help book I could, and it started out with the Feeling Good Handbook I believe it's David Burns. I just started doing the work and it led to mindset transformation. So I was, I was learning how to change my mindset, and I know it sounds like a cliche change your mind, change your life, but it really works. It really works Well.
Speaker 2:My first meeting with you, you did say that your biggest breakthrough moment is going from a victim to a survivor, and that is the theme of your book. Is like how to take responsibility for your life and and not be a victim your whole life.
Speaker 3:Right, and not only a survivor but an overcomer, like somebody said to me once well, I'm glad you've learned to cope and I'm like, no, I don't cope anymore. I I'm okay, I'm happy I don't deal with all the emotions that came with my past anymore. I've changed my mindset and therefore I've changed my life. So when you start to realize that your past really doesn't exist unless you give it thought right, it's not there, it's not tangible, it's not something that is in your home.
Speaker 3:So if you had an abuser or something that caused trauma, the only way you can allow them to keep you in that trauma and in that abuse state of mind is if you give it thought right. So if you're not giving it thought and you're learning how to change your mindset to focus on other things, you start to train your mind to think in a different way. And if and then when you do, even science has proven people who think more positive do. Even science has proven people who think more positive, more positive opportunities come into their life. And when you do, you start to see evidence and your life starts changing. It becomes more abundant, it becomes more joyful, it becomes easier. So changing your mindset is huge.
Speaker 2:In our pre-planning meeting you went into a little more detail, that you kind of spend 12 weeks or three months as your course and you like to meet with people weekly and then they're given assignments. Could you share a little bit more about, like, what are some of the assignments and what are some of the transformations that you see people happen as they are doing some of these mindset activities?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I created a 90-day course with weekly lessons and daily activities, and then I get together weekly for a 45-minute to an hour session with my clients that are well as they're going through the 90 day course. And sometimes our sessions, our sessions, aren't always geared towards talking about the 90 day course, although if there's any questions or anything we do, we do touch on the 90 day course. The 90 day course is a very simple process. Changing your mindset is a very simple process. It's just not easy because you got to do the work, but it is a simple process. So, and during our talks we talk about, you know, the things that they have difficulty coming over, getting over, so they may have a block you getting over a certain thing that had happened, and then we talk about how we can address that certain issue, and I also incorporate, if they like, some energy healing and sound healing.
Speaker 3:So, but the 90 day course touches on things like taking ownership. That's not only very important, but very, very powerful and powering, because once we can say our life is the way it is, whether we like it or not, whether we're enjoying life or whether we're not, it's all because of us. It's nobody else outside of our world. Obviously, unless you're a child, you don't have the ability to take matters into your own hands all the time. But as adults we do. We are able to make choices and we are able to take our life into our own hands and stop blaming everyone else for the way our life is. So taking ownership is huge.
Speaker 2:Wow, I love that. That's really beautiful, and I think having someone walk alongside you, so like as people are doing these activities, maybe a certain stuck point could come and that's where you could kind of just say tell me more about that, and so you're. You're not like lockstep in the 12 weeks of assignments. You're willing to go deeper with someone if they're stuck in an area and the assignments are kind of a structure to help you move along. Am I getting that right?
Speaker 3:Yes, the assignments are a way to put that groove into your brain and the way to think, because if you're practicing it all the time, then you start to think that way and you start to be aware of it.
Speaker 2:and I promise you, once you start thinking in a better way, you don't want to go back to the way you were thinking that caused depression and anxiety yeah, you, you had shared in our pre-planning meeting that one of the transformations well that you named a couple, but I'm sure there's more than two that people kind of get more of a self-care practice and they have more inner peace. Could you tell me how and why you think people develop this inner peace with themselves and self-care practices that might feed that and self-care practices that might feed that.
Speaker 3:Well, other than taking ownership, I also teach in the course to be aware of your emotional scale, where you're at on your emotional scale.
Speaker 3:So if you're, all the way on the part of depression. You're obviously thinking in a depressive manner, you're seeing the world as a bad place, you're seeing people as people you can't trust and you're seeing your life in a negative state and that will cause you to be on that point of the scale. You know, if you're a happy person and you're feeling good, then your thoughts are in a good place. So you know, mind, body and soul is a very important thing to work on because you could be healthy, run every day and have, you know, do all the healthy things for your body, but if your mind's not in the right place, you're still not going to be happy.
Speaker 3:So being aware of your emotional scale, being aware of your thoughts and then taking control of your thoughts, is huge and people, when they start to learn how to like, turn off all that, like you know, people will be so focused on the news and the news really brings in a lot of negative things, constantly about illness, crime. You know all these terrible things. It makes you feel like. You know there's so much division in the world right now and media just thrives on that. The ratings are just shooting out of you know, off the charts and people tune into that on a daily basis and then they start to without even knowing. You're just being conditioned to think about how bad the world is, and it's a wonder everybody isn't depressed like it's just. It's really. We are bombarded and I remember my grandmother telling me as a child one time about watching like a violent movie or something she's like if you don't want it happening into your living room, why would you bring it into your living room? So I mean, that's a simple way to think of it, right.
Speaker 2:It is, yeah, like kind of guard your mind and be you know. You get to set boundaries on how much of this negative commentary that's in the world, whether no matter if it's social media or TV, it's there. If you tune into it too long it can start to affect you.
Speaker 3:Absolutely, absolutely. And you know I like to be aware of what's going on. I get like a daily skim into my email and I do things like sign petitions and vote and do the things that I feel I'm in control of, but all the other things that I'm not in control of I don't want to go out into the world in fear because they're constantly telling me be afraid, it's terrible, be afraid it's terrible out there. I don't want to live my life that way. So I do the proactive things that I can do that are in my control, but I shut out what I can't control.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thanks for sharing that. You had also shared that one of your tools that you teach clients is meditation and in some of our earlier podcasts we've talked on either meditation or like journaling, and maybe you could unpack a little bit like how you see meditation helpful or even journaling. I know that those are both kind of important tools that you use in your program.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, absolutely. When you quiet your mind it's pretty neat. But although I start people who aren't used to meditation on a guided meditation because when you start out with a guided meditation there's someone telling you and helping you, you know, put those thoughts into a vision and it helps you learn how to kind of shut your brain off from your regular everyday thoughts that constantly run through your brain. And you go on this journey, whether it be meditation and raising your vibration, you know, because we're all energy beings or a meditation on letting go of trauma, or peace, or whatever the meditation is for you. The guided meditation is a great way to start. And once you get used to the guided meditation and you're comfortable with meditating, I like to go into where you just turn off your thoughts and go to a quiet place. Then you start to be aware of what thoughts start to come to you and instead of just oh, no, I can't think anything and blocking it out, be aware, oh, I guess I usually think of this and they just let it pass.
Speaker 3:And once you learn to quiet your mind, you really do connect to like mind. You really do connect to like an inner being that starts to give you an idea and different ways to go about things. You actually do receive information when you quiet your mind. So, yes, meditation is very, very powerful, and journaling is as well, because when you are going through a new process, like a 90-day course, you want to write down where you were and what you were going through so that you can actually go back and see the improvements that you're making. And also, sometimes, when you're journaling, you discover things about yourself. Oh yeah, and you write things down and it's a way of being aware as well.
Speaker 2:So wow, beautiful journaling meditation is very powerful um, going back to the meditation idea, um, I do believe, like in my marriage, for example, my wife is a real regular meditator and she believes that the universe gives her messages. I also meditate. I'm not as good at meditation as she is, but you know, I feel like God gives me messages. But I do believe that the common thing that we both agree on is quieting the mind, allows access for these messages to come, so that we're not having that internal chatter, so that we're just kind of like in this busy, anxious mindset, how can you receive messages if your mind is racing with all this internal chatter? So I think that's the power of meditation so you can hear these important messages for your personal inspiration, or what are the things that matter most, and not just kind of going to the urgent or the crisis, but focusing on the things that matter most.
Speaker 3:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's beautiful. There was something you said on journaling that I wanted to to kind of recite back to. You said you know, some of my clients use journal to release anger. Some people use it to write and reflect, to get clarity about their emotions. Sometimes it can be gratitude. So like, as you think through some of your clients, you know that you're seeing now, is it similar to that? Or are there any other things that you want to highlight or talk more about any of those two or three things, that kind of the benefits of journaling? It seems like.
Speaker 3:Those are the benefits of journaling. And, yeah, a lot of things rise to the surface and with each client you know they all have unique individual experiences through it, which is amazing, but it is all positive. Another thing I'd like to touch on that was one of my that always seems to be one of my, my clients. Favorite part of the course is learning how to be childlike. Um, a lot of us go through life in autopilot we go to work, we come home, we eat dinner, we watch tv, we go to work, we go. We have this habit we fall into. We're on autopilot and we forget to have fun, we forget to just the little joyful things.
Speaker 3:I take mindful walks and I'm not on my phone, I'm not looking at my phone. My dog and I are walking. I notice the nature, I noticed the wind, the sounds, the birds and things come to me to blog about, like I just blogged a whole blog about dandelions and how we're conditioned to think that they're weeds, but how much there's so much beauty in them and how much they offer to the world and all the healing properties. But anyway, you know, just finding little joys like dancing, singing. Children know how to wake up and, oh, I want to play, I want to have fun.
Speaker 3:It doesn't always have to be work news everything's hard, everything's struggle. You know it's like Be kind to yourself, be kind to others, smile at others. You'll see that there's a lot of kindness and there's a lot of joy in the world. Just open yourself to it, you know, and be childlike, play a little like, be goofy, be silly, you know. You know, and I I like to stress that and I think that that's my favorite part of uh coaching is just teaching how to. Well, loving yourself is very important, but children tend to love themselves yeah so um loving yourselves and being childlike.
Speaker 3:It's, it's very important.
Speaker 2:yeah, and if you think of a child going on a walk, they're not trying to like count their calories or look at the time they're actually they're slowing down and they're like paying attention to the flowers or the wind and noticing you know something floating in the river and pointing it out, and I think as adults we lose that playful, mindful approach to life and that, being childlike, I think, is a real good thing to remind people to do.
Speaker 3:Absolutely, absolutely. I try to incorporate it every day into my life, every single day, and I have grandchildren, which I have them twice a week and that's just. I just took my granddaughter yesterday on a bike trail ride along the creek and so many things like just seeing a deer, and she's like, oh, what do you want to name the deer? Or what do you want to name that butterfly or that squirrel? And oh, let's name it Blackberry and all these different fun things that are easy and nice and I think it's important to experience the good things in the world, you know.
Speaker 2:Right. So we had talked that you might be able to give a testimonial by removing some identifying information, to just maybe give a glimpse of maybe one of your star students who kind of went through the program well and you saw some of the transformation that we've been talking about in mindset, self-awareness, self-love, maybe even a little childlike. Can you think of someone that kind of was a role model of? Maybe not all four of those, but just one or two of those kind of transformational things that you're aiming for?
Speaker 3:Well, I guess I had somebody who had a lot of social anxiety, didn't like to go out and be around people, and we just kind of talked about that and found ways to think differently and found ways of what to think about when you are in a crowd. And she actually went to a uh like this huge conference and it's. And she had been through some pretty severe trauma and was really anxious and afraid to be in crowds. And she now not only is okay being in crowds, she enjoys meeting people and things and she just is like a lit up Christmas tree when she talks about it because she just feels so free.
Speaker 3:And I guess another quick example is someone came to me and they were like in tears, just I'm, and she's in her late 60s, like I just have a hard time liking myself or loving myself, and you know my husband will be like oh stop, you're a good person, why do you do that? And she had been a part of organized religion that actually taught you know, like you're unworthy, you know you're, you're a sinner, you know she's been taught this for so many years and I and I just kind of talked to her about so you love God, right? Yes, I do love God and I said well, you know, god is inside of you and he created you and he gave you this inner being, this soul, like, don't you think the greatest gift you can give God is to love something he created, he created? How could you not love something God created, you created, if you, you know, if you love God and and so we just, I like that spin that you took with her.
Speaker 2:That's probably the right angle, because she had kind of had some negative messaging that came from her religion that really held her back from loving herself.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and and now you know, through meditation, journaling and keeping that thought that she is a creation of God is just she's so much more happier and she's learning to love herself. So these kinds of things just make me really happy. Just to make a slight change in somebody's life.
Speaker 2:You know, that's great, that's amazing. Well, I only have a couple more areas to cover and then we'll we'll consider this a great podcast for our listeners. This has just been an amazing experience, since our podcast is about love stories. I'm kind of a big fan of telling a love story, love stories, I'm kind of a big fan of telling a love story, and so as we came on the show, you felt like you're 1000%. Your love story is about your children and your grandchildren, so can you tell me?
Speaker 3:more about why that is your love story that's the most meaningful to you. You, oh man, I think I think my children saved me. I had my son shortly after, you know, I started coming. I was like 25. So two years after coming out of you know the nervous breakdown and learning how to think, you know, and I mean just holding him in my arms and wow, like my whole world changed.
Speaker 3:And and it was so important to me because I didn't have stable parents to be this rock to them, to be this, not only this distant discipline, I mean I, I, discipline is very important, but discipline is not the only thing in raising our children. It's love, it's play, it's giving them an expression and letting them be this person they want to be and guiding them. And oh my God, just I mean I have not went through the time period that parents talk about like, oh, terrible twos, that was never a thing for me. Teenage years terrible no, that was never a thing for me. Teenage years terrible no, it's never been a thing for me.
Speaker 3:I've always loved being their parent and there were times I was very strict, but I was also loving and allowed them to express their feelings and we just had this beautiful relationship together. We're very close. I see my children all the time where they're married and they live in their own places, but we get together all the time. We talk all the time. We're super close and now my grandchildren are just an extension of that and I can't even tell you how much love they have put into my heart. Just that is 1,000%, yes, my love story, if not 1 million%.
Speaker 2:I've heard way too many kind of romantic people falling in love stories. I love family togetherness. It's a high value of mine and I'm the one in my family that's trying to get a sibling reunion. And sometimes it's like herding cats because they're busy and I'm like can't you prioritize family? You know and I, and then, oh great, shane's on his soapbox, he's trying to force it for it to come together organically, just shares. That like love is leading, that like people want to feel love, they want to create memories and when it happens organically, it's just beautiful because people want to be together because they feel love there, and so good job in creating that.
Speaker 3:Thank you, thank you. That is my most. I just that accomplishment is my most prized accomplishment. I mean just to have family and that we love each other and we are there for each other and we have fun together. I mean it's really a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2:That's great, all right. The very final questions are just some fun little questions, just for the people to get to know you outside of your role as a coach and a trauma specialist. So what is your favorite thing to do on a weekend? I think I can guess what your answer is going to be, but do you want to share? It's either a mindful walk or family, is my guess.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I do, but my most favorite thing to do on my time off and it doesn't always fall on weekends, because sometimes I'm pretty busy with work on weekends, but I love to take time out, like chunks of time, maybe three, four days here and there I love to travel, I love to get away and I have. I was blessed enough to be able to get like my son, his wife, my daughter, her husband, my, my grandchildren and my ex-husband, my children's father. Together we went to Costa Rica and we like to travel, we like to do little weekend getaways. We like to yeah, it's usually something with my family. I have a great circle of friends as well, that you know. I like to go out to dinner with. I'm a foodie, I love food, so I do.
Speaker 3:Because of my eating habits, I've gotten over all those crazy thoughts and I can eat healthy and fun and have a good balance of that. Healthy and fun and have a good balance of that, um, which are you know I help some of my clients with as well. But, um, yeah, I, I just like to enjoy life. Yeah, I like to play, I like to go on bike rides, I like to be around people that bring value to you. Know that we bring value to each other's lives. That's beautiful.
Speaker 2:That beautiful, that's great. Um, what is something on your nightstand right now?
Speaker 3:on my nightstand. On my nightstand right now is um Kleenex. Okay, Kleenex, I always have a glass of water there. You know nothing too interesting.
Speaker 3:I guess my room is filled with like art that I love on my walls. I have a nice music wall where I have some of my favorite artists who I have a lady in Switzerland who does art with crayon and torn paper and she makes lifelike portraits of celebrities, and so for me I have a music wall with that art on there with a giant microphone, and so my bedroom is my like kind of my artsy room and I love it, but my nightstand isn't that interesting.
Speaker 2:You know what, keeping it simple is nice. You know, know, kleenex, there might be a clock, or maybe just a Kleenex and water. That's good yeah there's nothing wrong with keeping it simple, okay, um, do you have a favorite tv or movie? And? And? And? What is it and why?
Speaker 3:oh, my favorite movie was the uh, it's the only movie I actually went to go see by myself and I don't know why. I saw it up there and I was like I'm going to pull in and see this. This was many years ago and I'm actually glad I went by myself, because I got in my car and cried for about three hours after that. But it's called what Dreams May Come, with Robin Williams in it. I don't know if you've seen it.
Speaker 2:I don't think I've seen that one. Tell me just a brief recap.
Speaker 3:It's a pretty intense story. It's a very intense story about these parents who they meet. They have this great love story and they have children and I don't want to give away too much of it, but they lose their children and they go through these struggles and it covers like loss and it covers suicide, and then it covers a love so deep that someone would go to hell to rescue somebody and it's just such a beautiful, powerful story but it is intense, it is intense, it is intense. But I mean I'm just amazed at the writing and the acting and and just the idea of this movie is really amazing so yeah.
Speaker 2:so if you're feeling like a therapy movie that kind of pulls on the heartstrings, that sounds like a good one to get you thinking more deeply on life.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it is pretty intense, it's very sad, but it's also very beautiful.
Speaker 2:Okay, so in closing here, how can people find you? If they want to work with you, they feel a connection with you. What's the best way to to find you?
Speaker 3:well, my website's pretty easy. Shirleybuckcom the the name of my, my company that I you know. I named it red leaf alternative healing, but it was just so much easier to just do shirleybuckcom for my website so people can land on it. But so when you you land there, you'll see Red Leaf Alternative Healing. But yeah, charliebuckcom is the easiest way you can actually set up a free consultation call with me. Through there you get information on my book. There's also other podcasts and blogs and there's all kinds of things on my website.
Speaker 2:That's beautiful. Well, this has been an amazing experience and I'm so excited to edit this episode, get it released. I'll be sending you a link and, if I have your picture and bio, if you can just make sure I have that so I can get that. You know, with the show notes, but it was a delight having you on the show.
Speaker 3:Oh, it was so great being here, it's so great talking with you and thank you again for having me as a guest. You